Listen to Allison’s full conversation with Tionne T-Boz Watkins
By Allison Kugel
TLC's Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins' life is one filled with overcoming insurmountable odds and finding blessings in unexpected places. Watkins was diagnosed with sickle cell disease at the age of seven and spend much of her childhood in and out of hospitals due to episodes with the potentially fatal condition. She was told she wouldn't make it past early adulthood. Her family's move from Des Moines, Iowa to Atlanta, Georgia when Watkins was nine, and a chance meeting former singer and music executive Perri "Pebbles" Reid and her then-husband L.A. Reid would launch T-Boz, Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes and Rozonda "Chilli" Thomas into the stratosphere as the biggest selling girl group in music history, taking home four Grammy awards and selling sixty five millions albums, worldwide throughout their career.
For all it's success, TLC has endured a roller coaster of ups and downs over the last thirty years, the biggest blow being the loss of group member Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes in a 2002 car cash, and taking away one third of the lightning in a bottle that made them superstars. Resolute in their will to go on, T-Boz and Chilli have continued to record music and tour, most recently co-headlining a tour with Nelly and Flo Rida which continues through this summer.
These days T-Boz is reveling in the most recent chapter of her life as mom to daughter Chase and son Chance, author of the 2017 memoir, A Sick Life, and co-creator of her newly launched line of CBD-infused healthy and beauty products, aptly called TLCBD.
I recently caught up with T-Boz, and our lengthy conversation ran the gamut with nothing left off the table.
Allison Kugel: Is there a prominent memory or flashback from your life, whether it's a really great memory that you love to re-visit, or even something that wasn't so great, that helped shape you?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I always think about the first time I saw each of my kids. No matter what’s going on in my life, that will give me a good feeling and a smile. Anytime I’m having a terrible time, I try to think about what the best thing in my life is, and that is my two kids. I think about the first time I ever saw them, and that’s a feeling you can't really describe.
Allison Kugel: At what age did you feel yourself make the transition from a girl into a woman? Was there a particular event, or did it just kind of hit you one day?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: You know when I think I felt like a woman? It's probably when we did the video for the song, Creep. Everybody thought we were so mature looking in that video, and I didn't think of myself like that until grown men started trying to talk to us. Before that there was always this stigma about us [looking] so young.
Allison Kugel: Is that when you felt like a woman, or when you felt like people saw you that way?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I think that's when people saw me as a woman, but then that started making me feel like I was a woman, you know what I mean? And when you start seeing yourself as that, you start acting a little differently, like, "Oh, I got some grown and sexy going on now (laughs)." I used to be so skinny and I would wear two pair of pants to look curvier. I was tired of guys saying, "She's cute." I was like, when are they going to say, "She's fine," and when am I going to get some grown woman hips?
Allison Kugel: Do you talk to Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes when you're alone? And has there ever been an unmistakable sign that she's around you?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: No, I don't want to talk to anybody who's passed away, because that's spooky (laugh).
Allison Kugel: That stuff doesn't spook me out. I think it's kind of cool to think we can communicate back and forth with those who have passed.
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I don't talk to anyone that passed away in my family. But I think about them, or I talk about them. That’s my way. I'm one of those people where I don't even like to go to grave sights because that's not a good memory for me, and I don't feel like they know I’m there. But I also feel like they know the love I have for them, and I always have psychics come up to me and tell me that Lisa is with me.
Allison Kugel: Do they say something specific enough where you know they're for real? Because you guys are famous, do they give you something to let you know it's the real deal?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Yeah, absolutely, I know it's the real deal. They tell me that she watches over my kids, but the stuff they've told me, there is no way they would know it! Only me and Lisa would know that stuff. At first it creeped me out a little bit, because I was like, "Wait a minute. Does that mean she's watching me all the time?" Then I got used to it, and it's not a bad thing because she's watching over us.
Allison Kugel: I’m sure she's not watching you in the shower and that kind of thing, but who knows (laugh).
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I hope not, but it's not like we haven't seen each other naked before. We were like family, so we did everything together.
Allison Kugel: Were you happy with the way TLC's final album (the group's fifth and final album, titled "TLC" was released in 2017) turned out? Do you feel it was a good swan song?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: No, I don't. I feel like it wasn't worked good enough. I don't even like the song Haters; I'm going to be honest. I think that was a terrible choice as our second single. I believe there were better songs we should've gone with, that were deeper. We have a song called American Gold. It was right before Trump came into office and there was all this uproar with black men who were dying and being abused and killed by the cops, including my cousin who was murdered by cops and shot 18 times with an AR15, and he was mentally ill. The reason that song is so important is because we hit on all of that, and you know how you bleed and die for your American gold? Just being American is tough these days, especially when you're black. That song would have really hit home in a lot of places, kind of the way Waterfalls did, if the right visuals had been put to it.
Allison Kugel: You think the music video for Waterfalls was a key element for people getting the song?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Some people didn't get Waterfalls at first, until the visuals came [with the music video] and brought that song to life. If visuals were put to American Gold, it could have been a big song. It could have been deep for certain people, especially for people who fought for our country. At the end, the album was too rushed, and I felt forced to not finish some of the songs that I could have finished.
Allison Kugel: Let's get into your CBD line, which you've named TLCBD. Over the years you've had a rough time recording music and touring, while dealing with flare ups and hospitalizations from your sickle cell anemia. On this current TLC tour (co-headlining with Flo Rida and Nelly), you've said that using CBD kept you healthier.
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Oh Absolutely! Before I started taking CBD, you can go back through our history and they would tell you, "T-Boz is sick, T-Boz has ruined another tour." It's not a cure, but since being on it, I don't get sick as often. I’m way stronger and when I do get sick it's not as bad or for as long. On this last tour, I broke my rib and I was able to still perform with a broken rib. A long time ago that would have sent me into a sickle cell crisis. Because I was on CBD, I was able to go to the hospital for one day, get fluids for the pain and some lidocaine patches and take some CBD cream, bomb and tincture, and I made it through. I didn't ruin the tour. This is the third tour I've been on that I haven't gotten sick or had to cancel.
Allison Kugel: Knock on wood, that’s awesome. How did you figure out that CBD could ease your symptoms?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: The medicines that the doctors give you keep you in a weakened state. If you're weak, it's easier to get sick because the sickle cell attacks the weakest part of your body. If you stay weak, you're going to stay sick, so I was sick every three months and going into hospitals. Someone suggested CBD and I tried it. At first, I didn't feel any different. Then I started noticing that I was feeling stronger. I wasn't getting as sick as often, and I don't even have a good working spleen. Your spleen is what helps you fight off colds and diseases. I lost my spleen, but I grew two accessory spleens which is totally crazy. I didn't know you can grow an organ back. God has been looking out for me! Any time someone had a cold around me, I would always catch the cold to the 10th power, but now I wasn't even catching cooties (laugh).
Allison Kugel: For systemic issues you ingest it, and for injuries you use it topically…
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Yeah, we have a balm which is kind of the consistency of shea butter for our line, TLCBD, and then our CBD tincture is what you drop on your tongue. We have beauty oils for wrinkles and keeping your face together. It's moisturizing, and after wearing all that make up and being in different climates every other day, it really moisturizes my skin.
Allison Kugel: Was Chilli cool with you naming your CBD line TLCBD? Or was she wanting a cut because you're using the TLC name?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: It's just a play on words. At first it was called Cure Holistic, but there is a Cure CBD. When one of my partners came up with TLCBD, usually I hate using anything TLC-related, but it was cute. I said that at first too, but when I talked to all my people, they said that it's just a play on words, it's not a TLC product. I don't get mad if she goes somewhere and says "Chilli with TLC," so no, she wasn't mad. But if it was a TLC product, and it just said "TLC," then yeah, I would owe her a cut.
Allison Kugel: What is the wisest advice you've ever been given, and how has it impacted your life?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: My momma told me if I kept my morals, my integrity and my character intact, she would support anything I did. That's what's gotten me through. She also said to always be the best in anything you choose to do. She said, "I don't care if you choose to be a garbage truckdriver. Make sure you pick up that garbage good, girl." At the end of the day, it’s about respecting myself. Nobody else will respect me if I don't respect myself, and it starts with me.
Allison Kugel: Good Advice.
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: That's the best advice I could have been given, especially in this industry, at 19 years old, with a whole bunch of nasty men trying to just prowl and take advantage of young girls. That never bothered me, because I always had my self-respect, self-esteem and self-worth.
Allison Kugel: What do you have faith in?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: God! That's pretty much it. Period.
Allison Kugel: How do you define God for yourself?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: How do I define God? I’ve never been asked that before. I know I have a relationship with God, and I know that God exists for me. I don't push my beliefs on anybody else, but I know when people, and even doctors, walk out of the room and they can't explain why I'm still here (referring to her sickle cell disease). I know there’s something up there higher than me that made it possible. When your doctor comes out and says, "I don't even know how she's doing this, because I didn't do it…"
Alison Kugel: This is something that I ask everybody, and it's really something to meditate on if you've never thought about it before. What do you believe you are here on this earth, as Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins, to learn? What do you think your soul came here to learn in this lifetime?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I used to always wonder why I got through things, like, why I lived and why my cousin died, and why we had the same disease. I used to wonder why I'm here and what my purpose was. Then, not so long ago, maybe the last seven to eight years, I figured my purpose here was to help people, whether it's through music or through sharing my testimony and being a ray of hope for someone. I've also learned to push past my fears. I used to hate speaking in front to people. I’ve learned to face my fears, and I’ve learned that I'm an open book. And I like to learn… about people, about things… it just makes me more of a people person so that I can better help someone else.
Allison Kugel: That falls in line with what the late Dr. Maya Angelou said. "When you learn, teach. At our best, we are all teachers."
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Yes! When I talk to the kids that I speak to, I try to help them from the inside out. When it comes to health-related issues, for example, if you have cancer, lupus, sickle cell, AIDS, or even if you are 100% healthy but you're continually stressed out, you can die. So if you already have an ailment and your boyfriend is cheating on you, or you're getting beat up at home, or your child's on drugs, or whatever the stress may be; you have to try to control the stuff that you can control and get as much stress out of your life as possible, because it will kill you. But it's especially true if you're already dealing with an illness. I’ve just learned to be a better person; the best version of me. I'm working towards that every day, so I can do what I’m here to do, and live whatever my purpose is meant to be on this earth. I truly believe that's to help people.
Allison Kugel: I was going to ask you what you're here to teach, but I think you just covered that!
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: (Laugh) That was a good question, though. I like your questions.
Allison Kugel: Thank you. Let's get to some fun stuff. When you're on tour in your 40s, are there tour shenanigans with the other artists, or are you in bed under the covers by 10:00 PM at this stage of the game?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: (Laugh) I'm not in bed, but I am boring. I like to watch movies, but I'm up all night. I'm a night owl, and I go to bed at like three, four or five in the morning. But they always say my bus is the crunk bus, and Chilli's bus is the grandma bus (laugh). They call her grandma, and they call me auntie. So, my bus is the loud one. It's music and fun, but we used to get wild when Lisa was alive. We used to have this thing we would do called "penis on the bus." Anytime a guy would come on the bus, we would be like, “Penis on the bus!” and we would try to act like we were going to pull their pants down. But it was funny, because we would always know who had a little penis or who had a big one, because the people would just lay there, like, "Go ahead." And the ones that had little penises would almost, like, kill us before we could pull their pants down. So, we were like, "Dang, we just playing! Don't kill me. We weren't really gonna pull your penis out." Hello!
Allison Kugel: And they say only the male artists are bad on tour.
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Yeah, we were really bad, but penis on the bus was fun.
Allison Kugel: That’s funny, okay. How are you feeling about your upcoming 50th birthday in April?
Tionne: I want to do something special, because usually I just go to a Mexican restaurant to eat for my birthday. I don't really do much, because I’m kind of a homebody. But for my 50th, I think I should celebrate all year long, because I never go on vacation. My plan is to go to Bora Bora, Tahiti, Thailand. I’ve always wanted to stay in one of those huts in the ocean, or the big bungalows with the pool. I'm going to one of those countries, if not all three. I canceled a tour that we had around my birthday. They wanted me to work on my birthday, that ain't gonna happen, especially my 50th! That’s a big celebration. They were going to try to do a big sickle cell telethon type thing. I don't know if that's going to happen, because it might take too long to put together, and my birthday will pass by then. Celebrating 50, for me, is a super blessing being that I was told I wouldn't live past 30.
Allison Kugel: Wow!
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: I’m like YEAHHHHH!
Allison Kugel: That’s amazing!
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: That's a celebration within itself. Yeah, it's a blessing and I love it.
Allison Kugel: What are you hoping the year 2020 brings you, in all areas of your life?
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins: Health and joy, because joy to me is better than happiness. Happiness is momentary. You can get a car, and then a new car comes out and you want that one. So, joy, to me, is the kind of peace that you can't buy. If you have joy in your heart, that has to be the most peaceful kind of love and light. I just want to reach that, whatever that is. I want peace, love, joy and health, and that's it. I want all my loved ones around me to be healthy, too. If we have that, I’m Gucci.
Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins established her CBD line, TLCBD, fueled by the desire to share ethical, effective CBD products with her fans. Visit TionneWellness.com to learn more about TLCBD. For TLC's upcoming tour dates, visit OfficialTLC.com.
Allison Kugel is a syndicated entertainment columnist, author of the memoir, Journaling Fame: A memoir of a life unhinged and on the record, and owner of communications firm, Full Scale Media. Follow her on Instagram @theallisonkugel and at AllisonKugel.com.
Photo Credits: Tionne "T-Boz" Watkins, Marc Sacro, Penguin Random House
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